IT: Welcome to Derry co-creator reveals how Stephen King’s involvement helped in telling Bob Gray’s story

Bob Gray // Pennywise the Dancing Clown - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)
Bob Gray // Pennywise the Dancing Clown - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)

IT: Welcome to Derry finally answers one of the biggest IT questions fans have had for years. Welcome to Derry uses episode 7 to really dive into Bob Gray, the man behind Pennywise the Dancing Clown, and co-creator Jason Fuchs says Stephen King was a huge reason they felt brave enough to tell that story:

"The blessing of having Stephen King as a partner and a collaborator in a show like this is that we don't have to have those fears go unanswered."
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With King as a direct partner on Welcome to Derry, the team could run their ideas by him, get his blessing, and make Bob Gray feel real instead of ruining the mystery.


Stephen King is the secret safety net on IT: Welcome to Derry

One of the coolest things about IT: Welcome to Derry is that Stephen King is not just watching from far away. He is actually involved.

Jason Fuchs told ScreenRant that he, Andy Muschietti, and Barbara Muschietti are hardcore “Stephen King mega fans” and that, because of that, “you do so with a tremendous amount of caution.” They knew they were playing with a character fans have obsessed over since the book.

Bob Gray - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)
Bob Gray - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)

Fuchs has lived with IT since he first read it at eleven, and he said that some of the best parts of stories like this are the questions you never fully solve. At the same time, he admitted he “crave[s] the answers.” That tension is all over IT: Welcome to Derry.

The show wants to explain Bob Gray, but not break what made IT scary in the first place. This is where King changes everything for IT: Welcome to Derry. Fuchs said:

“The blessing of having Stephen King as a partner and a collaborator in a show like this is that we don't have to have those fears go unanswered.”

That safety net is what lets the series push Bob Gray’s story further without feeling like fan fiction.


Balancing mystery and answers for Bob Gray

From the start, IT: Welcome to Derry knows Bob Gray is a loaded name. In the movies, especially the scene with Mrs Kersh in Chapter Two, it is never clear how much of the Bob Gray story is truth and how much is IT playing mind games.

Fuchs pointed out that this is exactly the kind of thing fans have argued about. Was there really a Bob Gray, or was that just another lie from the creature hiding in Derry?

Bob Gray as Pennywise the Dancing Clown - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)
Bob Gray as Pennywise the Dancing Clown - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)

Because Stephen King is involved in Welcome to Derry, the team did not have to guess in the dark. Fuchs said they wanted to “provide the context of who Bob Gray was” and explain “why It chose the form of Pennywise,” but those answers had to feel worth it:

"I think among those questions we were interested in, there was also: Why Pennywise the Dancing Clown? If you think about the choices IT makes, in the context of the manifestations it takes, they're very specific to the personalized fears of the victim it is preying upon."

He even said that:

“They better be really satisfying answers. Or else, why bother doing them?”

That is a pretty honest way to look at it.

King’s presence meant they could be “as bold as Stephen King is in his storytelling” without going too far away from the original spirit of IT. If something felt like it might break canon, they had someone to ask. The result is that IT: Welcome to Derry can finally step into those gaps around Bob Gray and still keep that creepy mystery feeling that made the book and films work.


Turning Bob Gray from a rumor into a real person

Episode 7 of IT: Welcome to Derry is where Bob Gray stops being a half-told story and becomes an actual man on screen. The show jumps back to 1908 and drops us at the Santini Brothers Carnival.

Bob Gray & Ingrid as Periwinkle - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)
Bob Gray & Ingrid as Periwinkle - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)

We see Bob performing as Pennywise the Dancing Clown in front of a crowd of kids who basically storm the stage. It is messy and sad and kind of sweet at the same time, which instantly makes him feel human.

IT: Welcome to Derry, then brings in Ingrid, his daughter, who later takes on her mother’s stage name Periwinkle. Their scenes together, with him hyping her up and giving her the Periwinkle name, turn Bob Gray from a spooky name into a dad with dreams and problems. That choice matters a lot to the headline question.

The show is not only explaining IT. It is building the emotional side of Bob Gray’s life. Fuchs said the team was really interested in how much of the old stories about Bob Gray were real:

"Was there really a Bob Gray, or is that a part of the lie altogether? Those are the questions we were interested in."

Episode 7 basically picks a side with King’s help. Bob is real. The boy who walks out of the woods, the way IT watches how kids are “drawn” to Bob’s act, and the bloody handkerchief with “R.G.” all lock that in.

IT: Welcome to Derry turns something that used to feel like a possible lie into solid history, and it does that with King’s approval behind the scenes.


Why IT: Welcome to Derry needed Pennywise’s clown form to make sense?

IT as Pennywise the Dancing Clown - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)
IT as Pennywise the Dancing Clown - Episode 7, IT: Welcome to Derry (Image Via: HBO Max)

The other half of the Bob Gray puzzle is the clown itself. IT: Welcome to Derry is not just asking who Bob Gray was. It is also asking why IT chose Pennywise as its favorite face.

Fuchs pointed out that IT usually chooses forms that match someone’s worst fear. Not everyone is scared of clowns, so there has to be more going on there. He said it hit them that Georgie is not pulled in by fear at the start of the book. Georgie is pulled in by Pennywise’s whole outer personality. The circus talk, the popcorn, the fun stuff:

"Well, not everyone's afraid of clowns. I am, but there must be something beyond the fear component. And it occurred to us that what Georgie is brought in by at the beginning of the book is not fear."

Welcome to Derry shows the same thing with the kids at the carnival who cannot look away from Bob Gray when he performs. The creature watches that and understands that this clown is not just scary. He is a magnet.

Because Stephen King was involved with IT: Welcome to Derry, the writers could build this link between Bob Gray’s stage life and IT’s favorite monster form, and know it still fit the world he created. Fuchs talked about asking if a choice was “too bold to swing” or if King would approve.

Later, King called the last two episodes “dynamite,” which really sounds like a stamp of approval for how the show handled Bob Gray and Pennywise.


In the end, IT: Welcome to Derry can tell Bob Gray’s story this clearly because Stephen King is right there with the creators. Jason Fuchs and the Muschiettis brought him ideas about Bob Gray, Mrs Kersh, Periwinkle, and the Pennywise form, and King helped them sort out which answers felt true to IT.

That amount of respect, caution, and bold moves is what turns episode 7 into a big moment for the whole franchise and finally gives shape to the man behind the clown.


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Edited by Amey Mirashi